and lead detectives in the right direction. Stephen Parent did not stay long. Garretson passed the poly and he passed when he said he heard no shots or screams, I think the telephone being dead and the door handle being down indicating someone tried to enter at some point freaked him out and he didn't want to admit he was afraid and left the house for a bit. He had no claim.2)You said, "Atobelli was the reason for the Garretson thing".Are you saying that Garretson was Rudy's "personal gay cabin boy"? "I was placed in a cell with a bunch of people and I remember thinking, 'how the hell am I still alive?' ?That's more bizarre, than Altobelli suing!Is Roman that friggin' cheap?He actually got down on his hands and knees, and tried to clean his wife's blood?The guy's a film producer.He couldn't spring for a new rug?? "I remember hearing that someone had approached his guesthouse that night and rattled the doors and then got distracted," Varga said. Manson Blog Considers the Brotherhood of Eternal Love Connection to TLB. He also claims two men came to the guesthouse looking to use the phone, carrying a baby. let's look at Garretson while he's in police custody. Cue the spooky music! You are only allowed to leave one flower per day for any given memorial. To view a photo in more detail or edit captions for photos you added, click the photo to open the photo viewer. The guy that Steve phoned from Cielo was gay, Jerrold David Friedman, now known as David Gerrold. It may be nothing. Garretson, Ralph Edward 86 April 10, 1929 Dec. 05, 2015 Ralph Edward Garretson, 86, died Dec. 5, 2015, of kidney failure. Altobelli had just got out of the shower and met Manson at the front door. Then how in the world did Tex and his two partner Leslie and Patricia get back to the Spahn Ranch? His life was a big lie. Even scumbag Vince Bugliosi agreed. A Conversation with Johnny Ussery- The Then 7 year old son of Clyda Dulaney! Dostie Demonstrates Buster Alerting at Barker Ranch! We all know about Charlie's adventures in sodomy, so I guess what it boils down to is, what's Charlie's definition of homosexuality? Hoping he came, and with his own girl and Debbie (who he had already mentioned prior as his "date"). cemeteries found within miles of your location will be saved to your photo volunteer list. Please complete the captcha to let us know you are a real person. Millie McCormack. You need a Find a Grave account to continue. Who would be able to describe the Rambler to the police ? I should like to offer you my sincere sympathy over what has been a very difficult personal time for you. LOLOL. One final note on the victims inside the main house not hearing the shots when Parent was killed. "I was coming from Columbus, so I didn't know anybody in Lancaster and I didn't know who (Garretson) was," Varga said. Place of Burial: Warrington, York, Pennsylvania. His main occupation was that of a delivery boy for Valley City Plumbing Supply Company in Rosemead, California. and Manson had NO MOTIVE to plot these murders (Cielo Drive and Waverly Drive) Charles Watson, NO MOTIVE, NO MEANS of pacifying the seven victims and securing perimeters.Watson did stand 6'2, 180 and was athletic. I know nothing of Manson's views on homosexuality. The media was fed a script to repeat for 51 years from December 5, 1969 to the present. back." William was, scarily, at home during the night of the murders. var part1 = "matt"; Then Garretson heard Folger say she was already dead, which understandably confused Garretson even more.After returning to Ohio, Garretson visited California again, to testify in the Tate-LaBianca trial. If I remember right I couldn't even listen to the whole thing it was just too bizarre. Well Margery. William and Linda divorced after five years of marriage, but she spoke highly about her ex in an interview after Charles Manson died. Awesome Inc. theme. and told what people would be at the residence at 12am?8) Why did Charles Watson enter the 2201 Waverly Drive hours later around 2am Monday?Leno and Rosemary did not get home before 1am. William saw and/heard what was happening that night. var part1 = "deb"; Also, his friend, Nikolas Schreck asserts that he is bi. Ask Richard Jewell.As to lost earnings, it was not his job to mow the lawn- it was his job to take care of Altobelli's dogs for $35 a week plus board. Sgt. Garretson was the main suspect and there was a media blitz around his arrest. Lots of people heard that. So The lights to the guest house HAD to have been on, to say nothing about the loud music playing. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. really wanted Garretson to be their man. Garretson was released from jail two days later. It is 1969, there's action in Hollywood and a twinkie is taking an interest in him in a house filled with the Beautiful People. Family Members in Contempt. Keene Assigns Lawyer. Garretson did not explain why he had withheld his knowledge of the events. He talks about what he heard and saw that night. He was held for questioning over the weekend and released after police said there was just no evidence against him. "As for falling asleep"well eventually thats what a kid seems to have done,exhausted by fear and maybe in hideing think he was safe enough during his long anticipation just fell off to sleepHe was a cowerd! Remember how Altobelli reacted by suing Sharon's estate for cleaning services. Manson Blog Proves that Tenerelli Was Not a Gypsy Joker! Perhaps then, WG didn't hear Abigal and Voytek screaming on the lawn. Said in the context where he first mentioned this war vet living there, who had his girl and another girl over at times as well. I'm thinking that if he told his lawyer that he saw something, this all plays out a tad bit differently. Then LOLI do however, remember bloggers saying that Parent and Garretson had some sugar in their blood though. That could explain his intense interest in radios and taking them apart. The following day, a second article ran informing residents that Garretson had been released from police custody. long bull barrel.Tex used Super X 22 but were they shorts?,longs?,or long rifle? Found more than one record for entered Email, You need to confirm this account before you can sign in. Keep in mind the guest house had 4 separate exits. The email does not appear to be a valid email address. Bob Evans (real name: Robert J. Shapira) often pops up in drug, sex, murder scandals. Billy died in 2016. Their lease wasn't signed until February so that means they had house-sitters most of the 5-6 months it was their 'home'.5) Were Abigail Folger and Wojciech Frykowski asleep together in the other bedroom? If you notice a problem with the translation, please send a message to [emailprotected] and include a link to the page and details about the problem. GARRETSON, DONALD WILLIAM thru Garretson, Olivia Alexandria. (no they weren't there thinking they were going to kill Melcher in the house). It is always a lie.Charles Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins & Leslie Van Hauten were NEVER PERMITTED a defense. Nowadays, a homosexual relationship between the two would be irrelevant, but you have to look at it in the context of the times.I wonder if Altobelli put any pressure on Garretson in the aftermath to STFU because didn't Schreck say that when HE went to interview Altobelli, he was surrounded by Mafia thugs?I am disappointed that the police didn't question Bill further as to WHY he was afraid that night. There was a famous message board hound called Karen McCoy Montecillo who claimed she was Steve's Girlfriend but was actually some sort of beard. It makes sense to me that he dummied up, given the amount of fear he must have legitimately felt, and the way he had been accused of the murders.As to his being a coward, remember that he didn't believe murders had occurred. Who locks there doors in 1969. inconclusive, the detective may think he's lying and dig further, but at the Before I know this is an old thread, but.. As far as Charlie and homosexuality, I'm pretty sure "Tex" Watson stated in his book that Charlie was against it. Were the gang driving all around Waverly Drive and Los Feliz neigborhoods for 90-120 minutes?9) If Charlie Manson left Charles Tex Watson at 3301 Waverly and drove away to Venice Beach after 2am? Police spared Garretson a sight even more horrible inside the house. He is not dating anyone. there's no commentary from polygraph examiner Lieutenant A.H. Burdick except his (Im sure, universal) doubt that Therefore, even if Garretson's polygraph I understand Garretson found the Lord in his later years. When William Floyd Garretson was born on 19 March 1889, in Raleigh, West Virginia, United States, his father, Henry Ingram Garretson, was 32 and his mother, Virginia Adeline Hylton, was 26. To add a flower, click the Leave a Flower button. He showed up to kill everyone in the house and he did.Gay marriage will soon be legal in the USA. If this concerns you click read more. Again, there was an out-of-court settlement, noted Denny, in which Bugliosi paid Cardwell. "They played a lot of head games and did the whole good cop, bad cop thing and did a polygraph," Garretson said. their equal rights, I support gay marriage, hell, I even support Bruce Jenner They had 8 children: John Hartin Garretson, Mary Powell (born Garretson) and 6 other children. We don't have much information about He's past relationship and any previous engaged. someone refuses to take a polygraph, like O.J. I know that WG said that the door handle turned, but with the killing mood Pat was in, I doubt if she would have retreated so readily.Again, if people did return later, why didn't they check the guesthouse? Sex? It turned out the firecrackers were gunshots. Where Garretson may have been fuzzy is at some point he may have gone out the back door of the guest house way after the murders that night, even further away from the main house, to the edge of the property on the extreme south side to let the dog go to the bathroom. Later Bugliosi paid his former milkman $15,000 in $100 bills. You don't just meet someone once and then make them the caretaker of what was very expensive real estate. I said in the previous 'debunking' post that I believe that the noise made by Steve Parent backing into the fence could have been enough to startle Tex and bring him out of the bushes with the gun.Is there a transcript available of the police statement by the person Steve Parent phoned while up at Cielo? AND they had sponsorship funding, and back-up teams for surveillance and perimeter security in the event of a victim escaping. Networks documentary about Sharon Tate's death, Garretson changed his story, stating on camera that he had first heard noises like firecrackers, and thought it was a prank pulled by Steven Parent, who had just departed. Together. It might have gotten only that far, with Altobelli thinking that maybe he could play around later, when he returned from his trip.Also, I read the transcript about two weeks ago, and it was my definite impression that Garrettson's IQ was perhaps 90 or so. I believe the door he actually probably went out was the south exit and Im guessing he took the dogs out there to far end of the property to go to bathroom. Advertisement Pick up? He was a drug infested idiot.They should sue him for his stupidness. about sexual relations on pages 37 & 38: As Ok, I'm at 38,000 feet on the iPhone so if this is choppy and full of typos, please forgive.It would seem to me that the people least likely to hear the gunshots from the gate control mechanism would be the occupants of both the main house and the guest house because of the canyon wall that block the sound to the residence. Discover William Garretson's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. var part1 = "gw"; Nowhereville. "Lost earnings" would have been a stretch, but I would interpret it to mean due to the stigma of being identified as the killer- especially since it said "future earnings". Or did they, and WG wasn't there.I am inclined to think that WG's relationship with Altobelli, both as an employer and in a personal sense, was more important to him than Steve Parent. There was a problem getting your location. residual drug effect and in part over his evasive answers to certain questions. In the 2011 interview Garretson did for the Tate-Labianca podcast, he indicated he moved into the guest house before the Polanskis arrived in February 1969. members. Previously sponsored memorials or famous memorials will not have this option. I didn't know for instance that there was a good chance Parent had been at the house again just a couple of nights prior to the murder. Gender. Year should not be greater than current year. This was his final address. William Garretson, who moved back to his home town of Lancaster, Ohio after his arrest, was called as a witness by and on behalf of the People of the State of California v. Charles Manson, and testified in the trial on July 26, 1970. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. It might be interesting to check if this is consistent, or a ploy for the examiner.Back to the evaluation of casual sex in LA, in the late 60s. So, they made the don't know.. There is 1 volunteer for this cemetery. This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. LOLOLThat's bordering-on demented.>>>I agree. It's a shame Burdick never asked if he had sex with Altobelli. Or at least he would've hidden in the bathroom or a closet with a knife & fallen asleep there.But wasn't he asleep on the couch, all out in the open?Just doesn't make sense to me.I know they said that sounds traveled funny in the canyon area, but the guesthouse was on the same level as the main house, past the pool, not more than 50 feet away. William married Elizabeth Jane (Betsy) Garretson (born Hartin). was inconclusive, without a confession, they still have to release him after 48 Please reset your password. He was running low on money when he was hired to be the caretaker for the residence that eventually became the site of the brutal murders. People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. All photos appear on this tab and here you can update the sort order of photos on memorials you manage. Yo know on both direct and cross he is asked how he got to the Sunset Strip and back and that he said he hitched but no one bothered to ask him if he got a ride or not, or by whom?Also, he says he was playing The Doors and The Mamas and The Papas on his stereo that night which busts the other myth that that was what was playing loudly in the main house on the stereo by Voy which covered up the shots which killed SP.AND, WG also testifies that the dogs started to bark 2 or 3 hours after SP had already left! >>>Mary said: this is just another confusing piece of the puzzlewhere does it fit? Becoming a Find a Grave member is fast, easy and FREE. Please ensure you have given Find a Grave permission to access your location in your browser settings. He was described as having both sadistic and homosexual tendencies by a probation officer. killers actually been watching the house and seen the car there previously? JeepersWith all Roman's money he tried to clean it himself?? Quickly see who the memorial is for and when they lived and died and where they are buried. This comported with the unofficial results of the polygraph examination that had been given to Garretson on August 10, 1969, and that had effectively eliminated him as a suspect. Male . WG was lucky!. You would stay inside too. The then 19-year-old, who was living in Los Angeles and working. The night of the murders, Garretson said he was in a guesthouse located on the Tate-Polanski property. "The report is transcribed here:http://www.mansondirect.com/police-report-tate-1st.html. He also said he was treated well while in custody, so it's not surprising it didn't go forward, but he was clearly damaged in the legal sense and treated badly when he was identified to the press as a five-time murderer. Really?10050 Cielo was a notorious party entertainment house. LOLOL>>>Rudy knew Garretson's parents, who implored him to hired Bill for the caretaker position.I'm not sure who was gay or not, but I do know that Rudy is gay. I don't know if you have ever been there but it is the ass of beyond. Manson's plan seemingly backfired, and William was released. We assume they didn't hear, if we accept the killers' version of how they went into the Cielo property and brought all four parties together. Afraid of what? Roman denies this, so I don't know if that's true or not.Then supposedly, Altobelli got mad about that, and sued Roman for (1) letting Folger & Frykowski live there without being on the lease agreement and (2) damages done to the property. 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