I have never seen an actual inch by inch measure and measure for ferrules listed that I felt was more reliable than this. Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. by bluesjay 06/19/16 13:59, Post An 861711 would be an 8 1/2' three piece, with the butt-to-mid ferrule being a size 17, and the mid-to-tip ferrule being a size 11. . that is less the difference of the step. The swell should start in front of the cork, at least 3" to 5". 0.350 (Chris Obuchowski). 0.214 0.102 Using too small a ferrule may be a factor. 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. (Reed Guice), Dickerson used the ferrule sizes in the rod to denote both the ferrule and the number of pieces in the rod. 40 .202 .375 Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. (Bob Norwood), That is kind of what I was thinking but if the rod is 7'6", that is 90". I do not rule out the possibility of owning a Lyle Dickerson rod one day but, may I ask, if you own or were having a rod made today with a Dickerson taper, If you want a Dickerson - John Pickard is your best choice. The Dickersons that I've seen were similar. It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. It's really funny that a True Arc turns out to be a parabolic taper (how drunk were those guys?). It has a small flex area in the lower tip with a stronger butt sloping up toward the end with a good butt swell; fast rod. (Weren't they made in a garage?) Tell me about it please. I've also made an 8-1/2' with tip dimension of .072, which made a really nice 6/7 weight. The guy turns out to be a top casting instructor. Dickerson 8015 Guide Model Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #6/7, Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/3 #6, Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5/6, Dickerson 761510 RB (Ray Bergman) Fly Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 901812-C Bamboo Rod 9' 3/2 #7, Lyle Dickerson Model 6611 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 2/2 #3/4, Lyle Dickerson Model 7613 Hollow Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4/5, Lyle Dickerson Model 661510 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 3/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Guide Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801510 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 7612 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 761510 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/3, Lyle Dickerson Model 9015 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 7012 Bamboo Rod 7' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801610 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8615 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 961913 Bamboo Rod 9'6" 3/2 #7. I will let Bob speak to the numbers and how they were derived. To this Robin brings up the complications created by the weight and placement of ferrules etc. But you also have the opportunity to add or remove material any ware alone the length of that rod and doing so will have an taper specific effect on the casting/fishing characteristics of the rod. Yes you do have the seemingly limitless variation of moving the point or points and amount of material added or removed along the rod length. 50 0.213 All sections are full length and straight. I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. 0.369 Following tests I no longer cook UHU. I think I originally posted this taper as Russ personally sent it to me. (Chris Obuchowski). But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. Or, if these are not good tapers for this, any suggestions as to which tapers would be? .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. Take a virtual tour of our terminal and view our campus map. It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. anyway that's how I do it. 70 0.271 Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. Can't remember which is which without looking in the book, but one is lighter than the other. 40 .200 .070 I like 8013's. Actually, your second post said what I was going to say, look at the graphs. I think of it as an 8013G. Thursday - Saturday, 10am to 4pm. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" Hmmm. Did I just read something about someone saying Dickerson rods are outclassed by today's makers? (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. Interesting thoughts on line weight and the first 20", I will have to roll that one around in my head for awhile. As you know line weight do vary so maybe your 8 wt is my 7 wt, or something like that? Thanks for posting the Dickerson 861711 taper. The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post Stress curves are the only tool I have seen that give you a visual image of exactly what you have changed and the consequences of that action. Crisp, strong, smooth, versatile. If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. Still looking for a guide to hire for a striper trip to the Bay. Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. 4070 Main Street, If I were to make it I would use .040 bring the 80" value to .328, this is enough to stop all the rod action. The Dickerson step down ferrule concept I need to know. Can do a little better some days, but not always. And well worth the little time it takes to execute. Remember that respect and civility is the goal of this board. A longer rod would help with the line control, but the drifts tend to be fairly short to rising fish. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. I have made quite a few Dickerson tapers. I always encourage customers to try before they buy. .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. I haven't tried a WF6 but suspect it'd be about perfect. by thramerrods 06/17/16 04:28, Post Varnish of 0.004 subtracted. I have one of his 7625's, and it's a great rod, being a 7613 replica. faster tapers. I will be bringing it to Korea next trip to go for trout here in the eastern mountains. 0.138 (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives 15 0.115 163502 Just a topic to ponder on these slow summer days. My intention is not to criticize you, but to try to reveal the "big picture" when looking at tapers and stress curves. Besides that, he's extremely knowledgeable about Dickerson, is the present owner of the Dickerson rod shop, and has an extreme reverence for Lyle's creations and tapers. (Tim Pembroke), I wasn't aware of that but now that I've been told it does make perfect sense. The point is this: a straight taper only leads to a flat stress curve, as you say, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. 90 0.296 157251. Interests: Building bamboo fly rods (occasionally), fly fishing for trout. So far all those posted were missing the 1st station on the butt section. (Reed Guice). 35 .186 .326 Powered by Shopify. (Robin Haywood). Manchester, VT 05254 Can you direct me to where I can find more information on this? Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. All but the parabolic and the hinge will have the same ferrule dimension so tips and butt sections can be interchanged to create any of the major taper variations. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. Its a very useful exercise. He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. ChristmasMissives - ChatRoom - PhotoGalleries - LineConversions - TheJourney - ExtremeRodmaking - Rodmaker'sPictures - Donate - Store. For each size ferrule there is a specific range of dimensions that will fit inside each size. Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! (Mark Shamburg). 55 0.2275 25 .156 .310 Variations below this point have more to do with the character of the rod than the line weight. 85 0.296 138357 The rod I measured generally has 3/3 node spacing with the exception of two nodes falling right next to each other. 0.178 It has a butt swell of about .070 also. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. My vote goes to L.C. Summers & Co. - Womens Sports ApparelBob with Granddaughter Cara FlyfishingGreat Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly FishingOutdoor Writer and Used Book SalesFishing and Wing Shooting Guide ServiceGreat Lakes Charter FishingSporting JewlerCustom GunsmithingFine Hand EngravingFine Reel & Rod Cases, 90 River Road, EastTraverse City, Michigan 49696 USAPhone/Fax (231) 946-7923bobsummers@charter.net, 2222 - 7. Click Here for Rod Raffle About Bob New Rods Purchasing & Shipping Dickerson Garrison Gillum Glass & Graphite Hardy Heddon Leonard Miscellaneous Rods Orvis Books & Catalogs Other Items Payne Granger. I can add that there is not one single straight line taper for each line weight. Summers Bamboo Fly Rods Company Vom Hofe Reels Young Winston Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. 8ft #5wt. A few of the tapers shown on the deflection comparison page are not listed here as they are from active rodmakers; out of professional courtesy I prefer not to offer those for sale. The stepdown in the female is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule goes over the bamboo to 12/64 ID where it accepts the male slide. Springcreek, the 8013 you have listed. It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. 40 .200 under grip Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. 5 .096 .244 "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. (Robin Haywood). (Matthew French), Different rods, the 8014 is a true 6wt, the 8014G (G stands for guide) is a heavier rod, a point and shoot, no false cast, lay out a ton of line type rod. By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. And why not? Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. 0.288 The trouble is, that's all it does! I think it is a fantastic taper. I could probably improve just by buying a new cheap file.. 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